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We Must Not Fail in the Pursuit of Life, Liberty and Happiness

"Wish not so much to live long as to live well."

-- Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1746
                                        
I guess there is wisdom uttered in this quote by Franklin. As one ages the quality of life, in most cases, does diminish and ends with wishes of youthful vigor. The fortunate times from Franklin’s day until now has been individuality in how one’s life was spent. Now our government delves into our personal lives to such an inordinate proportion that we may not always have the "right" to live as well as we choose.

As we hit mid-stride in the age of the "boomers," it is more apparent that our government is still taking much from us and at a more rapid pace than ever before. Our Congress has taken our Social Security, medical decisions, and soon they may even "incorporate" our personal investments to help their quest to redistribute the wealth. This does not include the unconstitutional government giveaways of  disability, food credit cards and welfare that overtax us. I do not question that some need a hand up but not a lifetime of handouts. 

Our Declaration of Independence says, and I paraphrase, that when the just powers of government is no longer at the consent of the governed, it is time to remove those in power and replace them with those most likely to give back to us our rights. It should be your right to live as you choose always remembering that your rights end at your neighbors person and property. Let us not fail in this trying time to restore our right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Those now in power, passing unconstitutional laws and ordinances daily, do not deserve to return to office! When you vote to fill an empty office, remember to ascertain if the next candidate is handpicked by the resigning office holder. If the one leaving office did not meet your expectations, don’t expect their chosen one to either.

--Steve Ramey, American, USMC Vietnam Veteran and freedom lover.

08 October 2012
Semper Fidelis et Vigilo!

Tammy Osier

11:26 am on Monday, October 8, 2012

Mr. Ramey, if only people would read history and do as the old adages says, "KNOW IT that we not repeat it". There's the problem. Being a prosperous nation has its unintended consequences if we do not use wisdom to keep it and use it wisely.
You and I grew up under the threat of communism and had a healthy fear of it. We knew that as the world goes, so do we. An entitled generation being self-centered, does not look to history to find that prosperity can disappear in a flash, unless you stay vigilant to fight for it. They just assume it will always be there and begin to look to government, and after a generation or two of this belief, can't see that they are being fooled. All they know is that they are being fed. But let taxes go high enough and it weakens our economy. thus, we are easy to defeat. Even osama bin laden said as much.
Reagan had such a good philosophy - Peace through strength. Countries will think twice if they look at our military and realize that we might be too formidable to go up against. That's how you get your enemies to back down. Keep up your writing. I know many on here understand all too well and agreed wholeheartedly.

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STEVE RAMEY

11:33 am on Monday, October 8, 2012

Very well stated, Tammy. I wish there were more like you out there.

Amy L

12:47 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." - Thomas Jefferson

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini

"The real truth of the matter - as you and I know - is that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson." - President Franklin D Roosevelt

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Amy L

12:55 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

The government is only the "enemy" insofar as they are owned by corporate interests. The party most commonly against campaign finance reform, stronger regulation on business, higher taxes on the wealthy, and mostly responsible for 80% of Americans controlling only 11.1% of the wealth in this country is the Republican Party. Citizen's United said money is speech. What does that mean in a country where inequality is so high?

Total Net Worth
Top 1 percent Next 19 percent Bottom 80 percent
1995 38.5% 45.4% 16.1%
1998 38.1% 45.3% 16.6%
2001 33.4% 51.0% 15.6%
2004 34.3% 50.3% 15.3%
2007 34.6% 50.5% 15.0%
2010 35.4% 53.5% 11.1%

This is the legacy of the republicans controlling most of government since 1994. 80% of Americans have seen their net worth drop from 16% of GDP to 11%. The top 20% have seen a net rise of 5%. The republicans claim to be totally against income redistribution but it is a lie. They just like it when the redistribution is from poor to rich.

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Amy L

1:33 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

David, care to say where you came by your assertion that the bottom 10% control 10.1% of the country's wealth?

http://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_589.pdf

According to what I have found, the net worth of the bottom 40% of Americans is only 0.2 percent of the total wealth in the country. You can't "cut" the numbers by fabricating them.

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The guy in seat 24B

4:27 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

David - If what you say is true, that the bottom 10% own 10.1% of the net wealth, they in fact have more net worth than the 89%. It's arithmetic. GAO doesn't make mistakes like that. Nice try.

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Dave Emanuel

5:09 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Interesting statistics. The net worth of the bottom 80% of the population declined only 1% between 1995 and 2007. But between 2007 (when Democrats took control of Congress) and 2010 (after Obama was n office for a year) it dropped 3.9%. Also during those same time periods, the net worth of the top 1% declined 3.9% (between 1995 and 2007) and then rose .8% between 2007 and 2010. So what the numbers show is that the Democrats hurt the very people they claim to represent.

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Amy L

5:19 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

The numbers reflect the fact that most ordinary Americans had most of their net worth tied up in their houses. The top 1% does not. When housing prices fell, net worth fell as well. The housing bubble and ensuing meltdown had a number of causes, but the one major cause that allowed it all to happen in the first place was the repeal of Glass Steagall, long a goal of "pro business" conservatives.

Tammy Osier

12:47 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Steve, go to the blog where Patch asks the question on Decision 2012 debate: What question would you like to ask the candidates? there are some very good answers on there. Wondered what you think. Revah's question was outstanding.

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George Wilson

1:03 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

@Tammy and Steve
What these "anti-communists" fail to grasp is the fact that the closest thing to a centrally-planned economy is one in which the resources are concentrated in the hands of a few big, virtually unregulated corporations, who can now control our government, thanks to the Citizens United decision that allows unlimited contributions by big corporations.. The similarities between corrupted economic systems are striking, always with a ruling party who lives above the masses. The main difference is in whether the ruling party is overt, or covert. Think Swiss bank accounts, Cayman Islands, and undisclosed donors to big Advocacy Groups and 527's. The communist party you are terrified of is the very right-wing party you are supporting.

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Roger Long

4:15 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

George, I've noticed that you have a routine of spewing the same rhetoric without providing solutions. Not only that but you never seem to point any blame at the liberal left. Is it sir, in your opinion, that the Democrat party has nothing to do with this monstrosity of a debacle for which America suffers today? I say that the Democrats have a large claim to the failures we are facing. The Republican party does as well but I never see you advertise the significant damage attributed by the left. May I ask that you take a few moments George (And Only George) to inform the Patch Community of these failures as you seem to feel so very much in tune with the political arena and who is to blame for failure?

Thank you for your honesty.

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George Wilson

5:01 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

@Roger Long
Solutions:
1. Take the drawing of legislative districts state and federal out of both political parties' hands and give that duty to a non-partisan board thereby eliminating gerrymandering
2. Repeal through legislation the "Citizens United" Decision by the Supreme Court
3. Reguire that a worker from every major corporations be on the board of directors of that corporation (at least the top 5000)
4. Take a proactive stand towards registering all potential voters and make it as easy to vote as possible
5. Restore the "Fairness in Media" rule to all of broadcasting
6. Add the public option to Obama care
7. Legalize marijuana
8. Legalize horse racing and casinos in the state of Georgia
9. Remove all abortion restrictions and encourage free contraceptives
10. Have a national ID law
11. Reduce defense spending
12. Reduce the size and complexity of the tax code
13. Eliminate the monopoly of the two party systems
14. Increase the number of representatives in Congress
I have more but this is a good start.

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Racer X

8:47 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

George- You do have some pretty good solutions there. I too believe the two party system is bunk. The problem is that you always blame the right when you cite issues and never the left, thereby alienating many on the right (not FAR right) who might listen to your ideas. The problem is the FAR right and the FAR left. They massively undermine the left and right who can get along and agree on many things. This keeps the whole country divided including the center 70% who should be the most united.
We need another party. One where left and right can be comfortable with each other. One that the FAR left and the FAR right have no power controlling. The current system is a breeding ground for constant, never-ending, incessant bickering over nuance and skewed perspective. I am really sick of it.

Amy L

1:08 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

We pretty much spent the Soviet Union into oblivion. They tried and failed to keep up with our military spending. We now spend more on the military than the next 10 top military powers combined. Despite all this spending, federal revenue since the Bush tax cuts is only 14.8% of GDP. Only .6 higher than 1950. Why is cutting military spending sacrosanct to republicans. Do you really think there haven't been consequences for spending our only competition into insolvency and only mashing the gas pedal down harder since then?

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Amy L

1:56 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

"it is more apparent that our government is still taking much from us and at a more rapid pace than ever before."

More apparent maybe if all you watch is Faux News. The fact is, we don't pay much more in taxes as a percentage of GDP than we did in 1950. Our taxes are historically low DESPITE nearly tripling our military spending in the same time frame.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200

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Amy L

2:23 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

I make 60k/yr as a field service engineer for a tech company out of Houston. That puts me in the 61st percentile of wage earners in this country. I am not advocating for an expansion of "handouts" as you call them. Safety net programs do need more money but not as direct payments.

I would be in favor of less military spending AND higher taxes. The government supports the growth of private enterprise by financing our schools, infrastructure, and research. President Obama said as much during the debate. We need to spend more in these areas if we expect to remain competitive in the world market. Having an F35 fighter when we haven't even really used the F22 and the F15 still beats anything the other world players have is not a smart way to spend our money.

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Amy L

2:37 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

"Business lobby groups that backed the government’s initial austerity drive, at the time packaged up with corporate tax reform, feel increasingly impatient. They want to see more measures to support growth. They tend to maintain support for reducing the deficit, but argue this should be done at a less aggressive pace. They argue for investment in infrastructure to ease capacity pressures, create jobs, and improve Britain’s long-term competitiveness vis-à-vis other economies."

The UK tried austerity like the Republicans want (See: The Ryan Budget). They have had the opposite effect. Growth has slowed. Now they want to try spending more to support growth.

From: http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2012/08/fiscal-policy

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George Wilson

3:17 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

@Amy L
I believe we spend more on the military than the rest of the entire world put together or very close to it. All of your comments have been very true and accurate.Thanks for the true facts.

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Amy L

3:50 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

I can't force anything. I can only point out that revenue collection by the government is historically low. Republicans always point out that we have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world. The problem is, multinational corporations never pay that rate. The high rate is only inflicted on those who can't get out of paying it by lobbying for loopholes. I am all for rate reductions offset by deduction elimination. So is President Obama. However, politicians of both parties have a HORRIBLE track record of actually following through with the unpopular part of any two part solution like that. We know all that will happen in a Republican controlled congress is that the rate will be reduced and the deductions will remain. Got to keep starving the beast! Even if it means our sewers, bridges, power grid, roads, and schools continue to fall behind the rest of the developed world.

ToJo

3:08 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Amy, you are well grounded in your approach to the issues that face our country. Continue your quest for the truth, as i am sure you aware, the truth will set you free.

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George Wilson

3:10 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Claims about the autonomy of the private sector are one of the Big Lies of modern conservatism. The real objective of the Right is along the lines of what Gov. Haley told that tire industry conference: to make sure government serves business through subsidies, deregulation, tax minimization and weakening of unions.
To the companies receiving these forms of assistance to expand their business, one could easily adopt the language of President Obama and say "you didn’t build that alone." The truth is that both liberals and conservatives believe that government should aid the private sector. The difference between the two is in what is expected in return. Liberals make an effort (albeit inadequate) to impose some accountability, whereas the Right believes that business should be able to take all it wants with no strings attached. The debate over whether to limit government should really be one on whether there will be limits on corporations.

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STEVE RAMEY

3:20 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

In a short period of time we will be the only bastion of freedom left in the world. There will be no place to run to so we must keep our nation strong to defend if necessary against the WORLD. The best jets are needed for defense.
Gwinnett schools (GCPS) budget is $1.73 Billion dollars. Enough money but we lack leadership, discipline and basic interest in fundamental education, readin', ritin' and 'rithmetic. Civics is a class long forgotten. Most of our children whose parents are detached graduate without a clue as to how to rectify bad government. They don't care about accountability for the elected or even who is in charge to hold accountable. GCPS graduates only 67% of its students. For those that don't go to college we need manufacturing jobs not "shovel ready bridge jobs" finished in a few months and gone. Our excessive corporate taxation (35%) manufacturers flee. They have shareholders that demand a return on invested monies and we make that too difficult. Shareholders are like you and me in that if we invest we want to make a profit.
Safety nets are ok but as I said, a hand up not continual handouts. The first thing we do is stop giving illegals thousands of $ to take advantage our system. My mother worked for 48 years and can get no help but illegals come here never contributing a dime(Obama's aunt for example) and receive thousands monthly. What justice do you find in that?
Does the U.S. do everything right? NO! But, it is the best place in the world.

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SLR

3:30 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Thank you, Amy, for your comments.
I can't understand why people, like David here, assume that if you support the democrats you must be receiving government aide. The only people I know that have or are currently taking advantage of gov't aide are proud republicans. I'm not saying I understand that either! It's like Mitt's statement about the 47%, he assumes that all of them will vote for Obama and all people voting for him are above accepting gov't help. Sorry folks, it's just not that black and white

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Amy L

3:35 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

"In a short period of time we will be the only bastion of freedom left in the world."

Where do you get this nonsense? Maybe it would come true if we follow your "core belief "In getting out of the United Nations and closing its headquarters in New York. And, "In stopping all foreign aid and applying those monies to the budget deficit." Are you for complete isolationism or only non-military isolationism? I would assume you are still in favor of military interventionism since you are a Republican.

Source for quotes on core beliefs:
http://steverameyforgeorgia.com/?p=111

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STEVE RAMEY

3:51 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

As i said previously, I stand unapologetically American!!!
I will not stoop to labeling and name calling to those of you that disagree with me nor will I enable you to discredit the good men and women who have served this country and love it. I do suggest that if you don't want to make it better, then Delta is ready when you are!

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Amy L

3:57 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

If I am "discrediting veterans" by calling out one veteran (you) on your bull excrement, then I guess I am guilty as charged.

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Amy L

4:19 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Why should I feel ashamed? I am attempting to have a discussion here about the article he wrote. I feel that several of his points are not based on reality. You and Tammy have been attempting to defend him but all he does in his own defense is shout, "I am proud to be an American" over and over. Are his words really beyond debate simply because of his military service?

Michael k

3:51 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

I took an oath in 1982 to protect this country from all enemies foreign and domestic, but I'm not sure who are the domestic enemies to which Steve is referring.

And Amy is my hero.

"This we'll defend"

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ToJo

4:24 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Thanks Michael, I too am a proud Veteran, I took the oath, I went in harms way. No political party owns allegiance to our country, true patriots will fight and die for even those that we disagree with. This is what truly makes us American, this is what sets us apart from the rest of the world. Hold your head high, I salute you and thank you for your patriotism.

Tammy Osier

3:52 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Amy - you have insulted a man who purt himself in harms way to defend you?? That's all I need to know about you. Funny how you insult decency. You spout the same old numbers, but is that all you have? Do you really need to stand for something so bad that you fall for anything? Would you like to see the number for January? I got them from a government site! But you don't care, because you idolize a MAN. Girl, let me tell you something. There are countries in this world who envy us. They want to be here (some have died trying to get here). Why? because we are the greatest nation on earth. If obama has his way, we will be socialist like them and there will be NOWHERE to run and NO ONE to protect you. But the only words you seem to understand are insults, calling things nonsense, and put downs. I feel really sorry for you. I'll bet you've never had a conversation with anyone who has ever escaped a communist or socialist nation, have you? I HAVE. You don't want to hear what they have to say about your messiah obama. They say that he is leading us down the path from where they came and they cry that we have succumed to this; that we are this stupid. They literally say what Steve (you know, the man with acual experience here?) said. Keep our nation strong or we will can easily be prey to those who want to destroy us. You simply haven't lived through a time where you feared for your country. When you have some real experience- come talk to us.

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Amy L

4:33 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

I spout numbers because facts are more important than feelings. He says the government is taxing us into oblivion. I say, no...here are the numbers proving our taxes are actually quite low compared to what we've paid in the past. As for being the greatest nation on earth...we are slipping badly. Just do any search with "America ranked" or something like it. The only category we are first in anymore is number of adults in prison.

Tammy Osier

4:21 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Steve, you must be onto something. Nothing worth fighting for is ever worth it until it is attacked and had to be fought for. The USA was born becasue of HIGH TAXATION and government control. Sound familiar?

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David Brown

4:23 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

I love this country as much as anyone. I am not "unapologetically American", however. There have been numerous instances in the history of our country when I was not proud of my country. Many of those instances occurred here in the south. Also, as a Bible-believing Christian, I try to stay away from having any other gods or idols. Too many folks engage in nationalistic idolatry and put America as their god. My Bible repeatedly warns against that sort of thing. I could say much more, but I'll stop there. Just my opinion.

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Tammy Osier

4:26 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Just throwing a thought out there...if you take an oath to defend from enemies both foreign and domestic, then obviously a domestic enemy exists. Maybe Steve could expand on that. I trust his judgement and expertise.

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ToJo

4:44 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

I'm not Steve, but we certainly have a history of domestic terrorists. Start with the KKK, throw in the Black Panthers and more recently Timothy McVey, Terry Nichols, Eric Robert Rudolf, Loufner, the guy that shot up the Sihk temple.

Tammy Osier

4:40 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Amy said: We pretty much spent the Soviet Union into oblivion.
Would you lke for me to give you the very words of osama bin laden when he said the same thing of us? That we would be easy to conquer when our economy fails? If a super power like the soviet union could fall, then is there any reason why it couldn't happen here? can you even entertain the possibility? History has proven it time and time again and it would be arrogant of us to think it will fall into our laps and stay there without some effort to keep our freedoms. DB - The bible does say to keep away from idols (blanket adoration of obama comes to mind), but we are also to stand up for what's right lest be be sinful by ommission. The word says to stand up for the innocent -murdering babie as they come from the womb is the worst sin I can think of, and the party I support is against it. Standing up for life and freedom is godly in my opinion. In the end, having done all, we stand (in faith). Thank God we have Patriots that understand the need to continue to fight for what's right.
And, yes, nice try Roger. It will never happen.

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Amy L

4:56 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Its not a question of "could it happen" but what are we going to do to stop it from getting worse. Like I said above, the only thing we are best at anymore is putting people in jail. I think we need to increase spending on infrastructure (and no, not just "shovel ready" road construction). Interest payments on our ballooning debt are a problem too. We need to reduce the deficit and work on that debt the same way we did in 1992. Raise taxes. If we do it by lowering rates and eliminating deductions that would be even better, but overall revenues need to go up.

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David Brown

5:13 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Tammy, with all due respects, it is clear that your political perspective is coloring the way you view Scripture.

Tammy Osier

4:42 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

But David B., I do admire where you are coming from (so don't get me wrong-lol).

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Michael k

8:40 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

It is really pitiful when individuals allegedly engaging in a political disagreement resort to referring to the President as "Obooboo" and compare commitment and support of the President to idol worship. It is sad when you don't have facts and evidence on your side.

Also, I want to congratulate Steve Ramey for his commitment to not resort to labeling and name calling the individuals that disagree with him. I'm not sure what prompted this declaration since it appeared to be in response to a posting by Amy where she simply quoted his core beliefs. Still, great job Steve. Your level of discourse will remain superior to that of Tammy and David, although I'm not sure that is much of an accomplishment.

Steve I've read your original posting a few times and it just doesn't seem to make sense to me. On your campaign web site you said you considered yourself a statesman and not a politician. Do you care to provide any examples that support any of the statements you originally made? I expect that from a statesman (if you don't mind).

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Amy L

9:34 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

That he stands unapologetically American should be the only thing you need to know. How dare you insinuate that that shouldn't be enough. Why do you hate America so much?

Sarcasm aside, Ramey didn't exactly keep it clean. I simply questioned the truthiness of his statements and he said, "nor will I enable you to discredit the good men and women who have served this country and love it." At what point in this discussion did I target veterans as a whole?

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STEVE RAMEY

11:26 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

The Founding Fathers were merchants, farmers and a variety of artisans. Many were ministers wishing to keep the Anglican church from becoming the forced religion of the colonies. Only about 40% of the colonist were for independence. I suspect several of you would be in the 60% category.
Founding representatives were paid a small stipend and just enough to feed and house them part-time. It is still part-time but paid more than 4 times the average wage of the working class. Some of the expense accounts of these reps would be the envy of ol' King George himself.
I ran for Georgia State Senate this year with a promise not to accept any monies from lobbyist if elected. I would work for the base of $17K and per diem. How far do you think $17K will go? I wanted to serve not be self serving. The elected have not been challenged for many years on their illicit behaviors, it was/is time!
The federal government contributes about 6% of Georgia's education but demands to control almost every factor in some way. What of states' rights? Do you remember the 10th Amendment?
Did you know the income tax was supposed to be just temporary? Taxpayers get so happy & excited at tax time when they will get a refund on monies forcibly taken from them! A huge portion kept by the feds is given to those not deserving both foreign and domestic. What kind of mentality is that?
You seem to hate capitalism. Capitalism, Amy, is what enables you to be a field engineer. We have 2 much government.

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Amy L

1:02 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

"Only about 40% of the colonist were for independence. I suspect several of you would be in the 60% category. "

Why? Who? Calling someone a crown loyalist is serious business!

"It is still part-time but paid more than 4 times the average wage of the working class."

Agree, but what do you expect when the system is set up where they vote for their own pay raises. Both parties are guilty and it needs to change. It is however, HIGHLY UNLIKELY that they would ever vote themselves a pay cut.

"The federal government contributes about 6% of Georgia's education but demands to control almost every factor in some way. What of states' rights? Do you remember the 10th Amendment?"

Teachers in the U.S. spend between 1,050 and 1,100 hours a year teaching, much more than in almost every country. Despite spending more hours teaching, we lag far behind most other countries in almost every education related category. I would be in favor of a more states rights based marketplace of ideas approach up to a point. The government would have to be empowered to step in if a state was falling seriously behind. Also, so called "intelligent design" and other religious "science" should be banned from public schools. If parents really want to brainwash their kids with that crap, let them send them to religious private schools.

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Amy L

1:10 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

As for taxes, all I really want is sufficient infrastructure spending to promote growth, SMART military spending, and a better social safety net to cut down on crime. How we collect the money is up for debate. Our current system of high rates combined with the "lobby for loopholes" game is certainly not working.

As for hating capitalism, no, I don't. What I hate is corporatism and the quasi-worship of "the job creator class" by the Republicans.

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Scott Terry

8:10 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Amy L wants "a better social safety net to cut down on crime".

So you think by providing lazy people with free stuff, they will be satisfied and not commit crimes? Is this theory something you dreamed up or proven fact? Clearly the thinking of an Obama supporter. Apparently there's a lot of redistribution happening in Chicago and Detroit and your theory doesn't hold water in those cities. I don't expect you to understand but have you ever heard the "teach a person to fish" metaphor? And remember, Obama and all his corrupt hommies are from the most awesome city of Chicago. It's a failure. Why would we expect success from Obama as President? Answer? We wouldn't. You would.

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Racer X

9:03 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Cal me stupid but I believe giving lazy people free stuff contributes to increasing crime numbers rather than decreasing them. As far as the "teach a man to fish" story, which I love, there are many who wouldn't fish even if their life depended on it, they would just steal the fish.
Everybody is talking about creating jobs. Well, I have news for you. There are jobs. What we lack is people who are willing to work. I think it is preposterous that the unemployment numbers do not include those who "gave up" looking (still trying to figure out how you can do that and survive). Many companies and wealthy American citizens are looking at moving to Panama now and bailing on the US altogether. This due to not being able to compete with the government for employees. People would rather sit on their butts for 25% of what they could make by working. It is a very sad truth. We are breeding a nation of entitled, lazy, spineless, self-centered, over-educated, under-skilled, politically correct, whiny, spoiled children.
My biggest fear is living in a nation whose leaders weren't spanked as children.

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Amy L

9:03 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

I DON'T think only providing handouts does much to end poverty. I am just more realistic about what people do when they have no other choice. The Ryan Budget slashes funding for safety net programs without providing any real reform. The people who are depending on these programs aren't going to disappear. The ones who ARE working, but still only scraping by with the help of the govt wont simply find more hours in the day to work more, or find time or money to go back to school.

If you only slash funding for safety net programs, you only end up with more dependance on the government, not less. MORE people will be living not just at the poverty line, but in abject poverty and/or homelessness. At which point, they are entirely dependent on the state through shelters or prison and we have enough people in prison already.

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lee kellogg

9:05 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Happily enough, Steve and Tammy don't get to decide who are the "real" Americans. They lack the data base. They would have to know and have known every American in order to make that claim. I wonder how Steve feels about those who dodged the draft by claiming non-existent religious principles. The crown loyalists were Torries, conservatives in favor of conserving their tax breaks and land grants from their king. As for a state government controlling how education funing is spent; Tammy and her version of history doesn't include the Civil War or the civil rights movement, both which occurred because the most venal of conservatives, Jeff Davis, Robert Lee,etc. chose to protect the states rights to own slaves and then attacked the United States of America. It is very unclear whether Steve's oath would have applied then. Pay your taxes, it's patriotic. Education is what enables Amy to make a living. Oh, and those founding fathers were also lawyers and philosophers.

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Racer X

11:20 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Mr. Kellogg- Your version of what the Civil War was about is grossly and negligently incorrect.
History of wars is written by the winners. My education in Philadelphia, which taught an alter reality, was disgracefully tainted by governmental influence.
If you really believe the Civil War was about slavery you are ignorant of the truth. There are many excellent and credible books on the subject. It makes for fascinating reading.

Tammy Osier

12:04 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Steve knows history. So simple when you are able to come to a conclusion based on full knowlege rather than something that changes with the tide. I doubt that many even knew what you just stated before now. That's why we must keep to our constitution without fail. States rights-Romney got it right on that one.
I've know Steve a lot longer than most of you. He knows his history and is consistent in his beliefs. Steve, I'm afraid that because we are several generations on the other side of that "temporary" taxation, there has been time to indoctrinate people to believe that it all belongs to government. Hitler said, "give me the text books of the young...". He knew. Many of the dictators of old spoke of what we are seeing today almost prophetically. They knew that there was a way to set up the masses and they would believe anything. Then government could do anything it wants with no way to stop it - because the the people willingly allowed it. That's what makes the US so special. They said NO! And they fought for their GOD given rights, not their government given rights. They knew the proper balance and knew the difference. And they took care of one another so that government wouldn't have to. That's a modern day thing too, by the way. No wonder we fear. We have reason to.

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STEVE RAMEY

2:31 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past." --George Orwell, in his book titled 1984
A good read. I recommend it for three reasons. 1. A lesson about History. 2. A lesson about today. 3. A lesson about the future.

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lee kellogg

9:07 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Hitler? Really? Are you going to withdraw that, or have the courage to print just which Americans you think are like Hitler. That's as ugly as ugly gets. And shows you don't know a damn thing about history.

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Chris

10:25 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Wake up lee. You're the one that needs to learn history. Your love affair with this Democrat failure is costing this nation it's freedom. If Hitler were Democrat and running against Romney, you people would have yard signs and bumper stickers.

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Amy L

11:23 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Where the hell do you get that he hates the military? He does want to reduce military spending but there is PLENTY of room for smart cuts that will not significantly reduce our readiness. Is it because of the early voting "controversy" drummed up by Fox News? The claim made by Romney and the Right that Obama's suit to RESTORE early voting rights to EVERYONE was instead an attempt to deny military personnel those days of voting is completely false.

Republicans were originally responsible for denying those days of voting to everyone with the passage of House Bill 194 last year. They had to go back and add those days back for members of the military only to comply with Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voter Act. The Obama administration sued to end this arbitrary division of voters and just let everyone vote early if they need/want to.

If you have any other reason to suggest that Obama hates the military, please share it.

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Karsten Torch

12:43 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Withdraw what? You really need to take a second and read what's written, not just jump up and down apoplectically because you see the name Hitler. She said nothing about comparing anybody to Hitler. He said you needed to get the kids' textbooks. That's what people are doing now.

STEVE RAMEY

9:40 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

The lesson is fictional but in many ways mirrors what we have done to ourselves. If you don't see that, then you are the one that doesn't know history.

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lee kellogg

11:21 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Fiction is not flattered. The Nazi comparison is the ugliest, most venal, stupid, anti-American idea there is. If you see similarities between Hitler and any American president, you need to leave the country, find one with no history and no idea of what a Nazi really is. Steve, you should be the first to shame those kinds of posts. That you defend them just shows I'm right.

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Amy L

11:59 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Steve never brought Hitler into this and never defended those who did. He has failed to call them out on it, but it is unfair to expect him to be as much of a forum warrior as us. I am willing to give him the benefit of doubt on this one.

Tammy only brought up Hitler to illustrate a point she was trying to make about indoctrination. It wasn't until David and then Chris that anyone suggested that anyone here (or in the White House) are secretly members of the Nazi party. So please direct your (well deserved) scorn at David and Chris, leave Ramey out of it.

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Amy L

12:06 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Steve's comment above was still about 1984, not about Hitler. The reply button just seems to have malfunctioned again.

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STEVE RAMEY

12:48 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

I had not seen the Hitler comparison. I do see implications of compliance with a one world government and the U.S. falling under international laws overriding our Constitutional law. Lee, as far as the War between the states; it was about economics and representation or lack therof. Lincoln at one point was in a quandry as to what to do with the slaves. 1. Ship them back to Africa. 2. Allow some states to keep slavery. 3. Free the slaves. History tells it was a difficult decision for him. There was never a southern owned slave ship! All ports for slave ship arrival were in the north! Warring Africans tribes captured their enemies and sold them to slave traders. Lee, did you know that in Morocco alone, it is estimated there are more than 100,000 Northern European (white) slaves today? Slavery has not gone away; only the race and locale has changed.
If you want to really broaden your horizons you might find a truthful book about the Reconstruction of the south: a brutal hell for people in the south for eleven years. 98% of southerners never owned a slave but all were accused of it. Their land was confiscated or purchased for pennies on the dollar. So all total the souith was brutalized for about 16 years.

Karsten Torch

1:00 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Steve - good article, thanks for contributing...

Couple of thoughts here - just because others brought it up...

The wealth is going to be divided by income rank. It makes sense. If you have those that make money and those that make less, more money is concentrated in the upper echelons of the range. The important thing here is the amount of income or wealth by group vs taxes paid. The top 1%, while having 35.4% of the income (depending on your source) pay 40% of the taxes. The bottom 50% of wage earners only pay 2.5% of the total taxes paid. So much for the rich not paying their fair share.

I also love how those people that rail against the ability of corporations to donate money have no problem with entities such as labor groups doing so.

So let me see if I have this right - we have THE highest corporate income tax rate in the developed world, and there's somebody that would like to RAISE that rate? really? You do realize that corporations pay tax on incomes, right? And they would rather take the hits in other countries with lower rates before they make the claims here? And there's really nothing we can do about that, since income is, by definition, income, and spending that money in one place influences their income? Would it not be better to lower the rate, remove any deductions, and take their money here? Money we're not currently getting?

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Amy L

1:38 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Since I was the only one advocating for higher government revenue, I will assume you were talking about me when you said, "So let me see if I have this right - we have THE highest corporate income tax rate in the developed world, and there's somebody that would like to RAISE that rate?"

I will copy/paste what I wrote far above so you don't have to scroll up:

I can't force anything. I can only point out that revenue collection by the government is historically low. Republicans always point out that we have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world. The problem is, multinational corporations never pay that rate. The high rate is only inflicted on those who can't get out of paying it by lobbying for loopholes. I am all for rate reductions offset by deduction elimination. So is President Obama. However, politicians of both parties have a HORRIBLE track record of actually following through with the unpopular part of any two part solution like that. We know all that will happen in a Republican controlled congress is that the rate will be reduced and the deductions will remain. Got to keep starving the beast! Even if it means our sewers, bridges, power grid, roads, and schools continue to fall behind the rest of the developed world.

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Amy L

1:38 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Every bipartisan commission on tax reform has recommended lower rates coupled with fewer deductions.That is not controversial. I am totally for lower rates. So is President Obama. The problem I, and many liberals have, is that we want a net increase in revenues after the rates are lowered and deductions eliminated. The Right wants a net decrease in revenue. The "starve the beast" philosophy. We liberals feel that government has a huge role to play in stimulating growth through infrastructure investment. We feel that republican austerity measures have actually slowed growth, not increased it. We may have high rates, but what the government actually COLLECTS is fairly low compared with history. We do need tax reform, but we can't continue with more austerity and think we will ever either recover from this recession or be able to start paying down our national debt.

Karsten Torch

1:09 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

AND, as long as I'm throwing out ideas, let's try this - completely remove corporate income taxes. Stay with me here, I'll explain.
One, for those that argue against corporate personhood, yet want them to pay income taxes, isn't that slightly hypocritical?
Two, corporations pay income taxes on profit - money that would be spent elsewhere. This adds to costs, and drives up prices. Anybody that thinks corporations don't pass on all costs, be it labor, materials, or taxes, really isn't paying attention.
Three - if the money from a corporation isn't taxed as income, what happens to it? There's only three choices. The company can hoard it, which, really, it's not going to do. Benefits them in no way to do so. They can spend it on labor - raises, bonuses, additional labor. Which we would see as taxable income. No down side there. Or in infrastructure, be it expansion, renovation, hardware, software, office furniture, whatever. Which, guess what, stimulates the economy and gets taxed. Again, no downside.

So tell me again why we even have a corporate income tax and why it benefits us at all?

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Amy L

8:26 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Again, I am all for sweeping, even radical, tax reform. I don't really care how it is collected as long as we don't run deficits and devote more to infrastructure spending. But how likely is any of that to happen. We have a divided government where more then half the members care more about their party and careers than the country. They know that it is in the best interest of the Republican party to delay, obstruct, and generally do nothing in order to make sure they can accuse the President of being ineffective. The only reason we have had the small recovery we have had is that they COULDN'T block his first stimulus bill. Since then though, they have had the numbers to block everything. And of course, nothing has gotten done. They refused even 10 dollars in spending cuts to every 1 dollar in increased revenue in Boehner's "grand bargain."

lee kellogg

1:11 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

What international law are you referring to? If it is a treaty signed by an elected American politician, it is Constitutional law. Who attacked the USA at Fort Sumter? Where were the slaves freed and where not? Had there been no attacks,there would have been no invasion or reconstruction.And after reconstruction, how was life for black men and women in the South? 16 years? How long did slavery last? How is Morocco relevant to black men and women hanging from trees, black women raped, the KKK, and slavery in America? Finally, why do you feel it is necessary to apologize for the military of the USA? Their job is to defeat the enemies of the country. The CSA was the enemy, or as Tammy would put it, the ENEMY!

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Racer X

3:09 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Lee,
You live in the South. Here, the Federal troops were the enemy, not the CSA. Boy you really swallowed the whole official version of what happened during and after the Civil War didn't you? I believe your entire education regarding the Civil War was learned by watching "Roots" 30 years ago. That, and the BS they fed us in school.
-Mike

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beachski23

3:54 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Slavery was going on LONG before the Civil War and is still going on today. All ethnic groups have been enslaved; NOT just black people. If I recall my history correctly, Mike please correct me if I am wrong, but the Roman's enslaved their own people, who by the way were Roman's and WHITE, well before the Civil War. Slavery today, is in the Middle East, China, Korea, and India; not so much in Africa anymore I don't believe. Still going on in countries that have had slavery a LONG time; well before the Civil War. I am not racist in any sense of the word and believe that ALL people should be treated equally regardless of the color of their skin, their nationality, or their gender. Inside and in God's eyes we are all the same color. So please, do not bring up the slavery card. To those that know history, it gets old.

STEVE RAMEY

1:44 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Lee, you have to open your eyes to see. Have you ever read the Constitution? If you don't have one, I'll be happy to send one to you. I have purchased and given away thousands while addressing groups. The south were the ones following the Constitution when they seceeded from the north. I'm through talking to someone that feels the world owes him something and harbors so much hostiity. You may respond to this comment but I will no longer respond to you. Others can choose to listen to your unfounded rants but as for me, no! Wishing you well.

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STEVE RAMEY

3:28 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Thanks Mike for the clarification for Lee. It is shamful about re-writing the history of this nation. Lee would never believe that many slaves volunteered to fight for the CSA. When the freed slaves did receive their 40 acres & a mule (many did not) promised by the Feds, carpet baggers FROM THE NORTH ran in and cheated them out of their property for just a few dollars. The truth many times will hurt but in this case it is falsehoods that have help cause derision between the people of our nation.

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beachski23

3:45 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

I stopped reading about 1/2 way down. Truly sad. Steve, from one veteran to another, Thank You for your service. I have traveled to other countries and been to war and to be quite honest we are stumbling down a path that is NOT pretty. Other countries have tried to appease the people and given them handouts and benefits and told them they didn't have pay taxes. Look at Greece. Their government is now broke from doing that, destitute. If you constantly give people handouts, they have no incentive or motivation to do for themselves, because others will do it for them. I am in agreement with giving them a hand up, but not a hand out. Our country has gotten lazy and greedy; giving new meaning to fat and happy. The tax cuts people are complaining about expiring, were put in place when the government had a budget surplus. Guess what, we now have a $1.4 Trillion budge deficit. I believe in spending cuts, but not with respect to our military. We are already spread too thin from the cuts that have already been made, if we cut any more we will not be able to defend our own borders. We are the land of the free for a reason. We faught for that right and have defended that right ever since. The government doesn't pay for itself, we have to do that. We pay them to do a job. If you feel they aren't doing their job, which they aren't, the fire them; vote them out. BUT, educate yourself first. KNOW what you are talking about from all sides first. But, VOTE!

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Tammy Osier

6:26 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

This political stuff was hot when I did my blog,"We are only asking for self-government" and I'm not even sure it got read. If anyone has time, please go to my name and find my blogs and read it. It's about what I learned at the Atlanta History Center concerning slaves fighting with us in the Civil War and the war of ideals. It brings the subject into a more personal view.
Actually, thanks to Amy for clarifying what I was trying to say. I was trying to make the point that unless we are not vigilant and question what we hear from our leaders, we could develope a sense of being indoctrinated without knowing it. With that kind of attitude (pretty complacent in past years), what would happen if we really did get an evil man in the white house? They could do anything and we'd allow it.
Beachski- great post!

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George Wilson

11:11 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

@all
"Gish Gallop" look in up on google

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Amy L

1:13 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

If you haven't seen this, please look it over and educate yourselves. The charts provided are an excellent, easy to follow resource for explaining the underlying problems with our current economy and taxes.

http://www.businessinsider.com/who-pays-taxes-2012-8?op=1

The takeaway for those of you who refuse to read is that yes, rich people pay most of the taxes in this country. But, they only do so because wages for the rest of us haven't increased in 50 years. 96% of the income growth over the past 30 years has gone to the top 10%. And it is not because companies are doing poorly. Corporate profits as a percentage of the economy are at an all time high while wages are at all time lows.

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